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== Stereo on TFT monitors ==
 
== Stereo on TFT monitors ==
 
=== Nvidia 3D Vision ===
 
=== Nvidia 3D Vision ===
# 3D Vision Pro is ''not'' what you want, this seems to be for projectors
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# '''3D Vision Pro''' is ''not'' what you want, this seems to be for projectors
 
# Quality is much better than Zalman and somewhat better than CRTs
 
# Quality is much better than Zalman and somewhat better than CRTs
# Compatible monitors: 23.5" Desktop Display e.g. ACER GD245HQ 120 Hz LCD display, Alienware OptX AW2310 120 Hz, Samsung SyncMaster 2233
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# Compatible monitors are mentioned at www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-displays.html but this website does not seem to be updated. There are 5 passive monitors (needing a separate emitter) at http://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/?cat=monlcd19wide&xf=3135_passiv#xf_top .
# The Nvidia 3D vision emitter that connects via USB only works on Windows, not Linux.
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# The Nvidia 3D vision emitter that connects via USB only works on Windows, not Linux. Linux needs the DIN connector which is only on the high end Quadro cards.
 
# The currently (2013+) best NVIDIA 3D Vision solution on Linux is to buy one of the monitors with built-in emitter from http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-displays.html (we have the BenQ XL2420TX), and a cheap Quadro, e.g. (2013) the FX380 or (2015) K420. The latter has a Dual-Link DVI and a HDMI/Displayport outlet, so can drive the stereo monitor, and an additional monitor. This solution avoids the USB/3-pin hassle altogether. See below for xorg.conf! We found that using a GeForce card instead of Quadro ''does not work'' on Linux.
 
# The currently (2013+) best NVIDIA 3D Vision solution on Linux is to buy one of the monitors with built-in emitter from http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-displays.html (we have the BenQ XL2420TX), and a cheap Quadro, e.g. (2013) the FX380 or (2015) K420. The latter has a Dual-Link DVI and a HDMI/Displayport outlet, so can drive the stereo monitor, and an additional monitor. This solution avoids the USB/3-pin hassle altogether. See below for xorg.conf! We found that using a GeForce card instead of Quadro ''does not work'' on Linux.
# www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-displays.html names Acer GN245HQ, Acer HN274H (DVI, 27", 390€-420€), ASUS VG278H (Asus VG278HR was confirmed on CCP4BB; DVI, 27", 500€), BenQ XL2420TX (see above, DVI and DisplayPort, 24", 500€), and ViewSonic V3D245 as monitors with built-in emitter. The three with prices can be bought in Germany.
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# www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-displays.html names monitors with built-in emitter. None of these are sold any more in Germany or the EU, it seems - the NVidia page has not changed for at least the last two years. But: As of January 20, 2015 http://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/?cat=monlcd19wide&xf=3135_3D-f%E4hig%7E3135_aktiv#xf_top shows 8 active 3D-capable monitors; ASUS VG248QE and VG287HE and VG278HR, Acer GN246HL and Predator XB240HAbpr and HS244HQbmii, BenQ XL243oT, Philips 273G3DHSB. All of these are 24-27" and cost between 205 and 490€.
# cheap Quadro cards with dual-link DVI-D or DisplayPort are: Quadro 310 (75€), 410 (80€) , 400 (116€), 500 (154€) - there are others. Quadro 400 and 600 have been reported to work, on CCP4BB. Make sure the card can do dual-link DVI if your monitor has only DVI input. Any card (including the "Windows only" ones!) listed at http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-pro-requirements.html#Quadro should work if a) it can do dual-link DVI if the monitor has only DVI input, and b) if the monitor has built-in emitter. DisplayPort is fine with the BenQ XL2420TX.
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# cheap Quadro cards with dual-link DVI-D or DisplayPort work well. Quadro 380, 400, 420 and 600 have been reported to work on CCP4BB. Make sure the card can do dual-link DVI if your monitor has only DVI input. Any card (including the "Windows only" ones!) listed at http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-pro-requirements.html#Quadro should work if a) it can do dual-link DVI if the monitor has only DVI input, and b) if the monitor has built-in emitter. DisplayPort is fine with the BenQ XL2420TX.
  
 
== TFT monitors: update January 2015 ==
 
== TFT monitors: update January 2015 ==

Revision as of 09:04, 20 January 2015

Stereo on TFT monitors

Nvidia 3D Vision

  1. 3D Vision Pro is not what you want, this seems to be for projectors
  2. Quality is much better than Zalman and somewhat better than CRTs
  3. Compatible monitors are mentioned at www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-displays.html but this website does not seem to be updated. There are 5 passive monitors (needing a separate emitter) at http://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/?cat=monlcd19wide&xf=3135_passiv#xf_top .
  4. The Nvidia 3D vision emitter that connects via USB only works on Windows, not Linux. Linux needs the DIN connector which is only on the high end Quadro cards.
  5. The currently (2013+) best NVIDIA 3D Vision solution on Linux is to buy one of the monitors with built-in emitter from http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-displays.html (we have the BenQ XL2420TX), and a cheap Quadro, e.g. (2013) the FX380 or (2015) K420. The latter has a Dual-Link DVI and a HDMI/Displayport outlet, so can drive the stereo monitor, and an additional monitor. This solution avoids the USB/3-pin hassle altogether. See below for xorg.conf! We found that using a GeForce card instead of Quadro does not work on Linux.
  6. www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-displays.html names monitors with built-in emitter. None of these are sold any more in Germany or the EU, it seems - the NVidia page has not changed for at least the last two years. But: As of January 20, 2015 http://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/?cat=monlcd19wide&xf=3135_3D-f%E4hig%7E3135_aktiv#xf_top shows 8 active 3D-capable monitors; ASUS VG248QE and VG287HE and VG278HR, Acer GN246HL and Predator XB240HAbpr and HS244HQbmii, BenQ XL243oT, Philips 273G3DHSB. All of these are 24-27" and cost between 205 and 490€.
  7. cheap Quadro cards with dual-link DVI-D or DisplayPort work well. Quadro 380, 400, 420 and 600 have been reported to work on CCP4BB. Make sure the card can do dual-link DVI if your monitor has only DVI input. Any card (including the "Windows only" ones!) listed at http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-pro-requirements.html#Quadro should work if a) it can do dual-link DVI if the monitor has only DVI input, and b) if the monitor has built-in emitter. DisplayPort is fine with the BenQ XL2420TX.

TFT monitors: update January 2015

Using NVidia's 346.35 driver on RHEL/CentOS/SL 7, I changed /etc/X11/xorg.conf to have

   Section "Device"
      Driver      "nvidia"
      Option      "Stereo" "10"
   EndSection

but there is no stereo (coot only shows a slightly rotated view), nor is there any hint in /var/log/Xorg.0.log that stereo is disabled. In fact, it is disabled, due to the Composite Extension (see http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/346.35/README/xcompositeextension.html). If this is disabled by

   Section "Extensions"
      Option     "Composite" "Disable"
   EndSection

then the login screen (gdm) crashes. This is documented at https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/556113/3d-vision-and-composite-option/ . The only way out is to install a different display manager, like documented at e.g. http://jensd.be/?p=125 . This works well - I'm now using lightdm and the MATE desktop, an NVidia Quadro K420 and a BenQ XL2420TX.

Ono

You also need to set the environment variable STEREO for the stereo to work properly in ono: setenv STEREO on (tcsh) STEREO = on; export STEREO (bash) [1]

Mac OS X

The following command needs to be run for Macs to be able to support stereo in X11 programs, such as Coot [2] :

    defaults write com.apple.x11 enable_stereo -bool true

Stereo on conventional CRT monitors

Some of the NVidia Quadro cards support stereo. The cards that have an output called "stereo" under "Display Connectors" listed at Nvidia's Quadro overview page have a 3-pin DIN outlet that fits with NuVision or CrystalEyes stereo glasses.

The cheapest of these used to be the FX1400 (difficult to find these days, around 450 €), but now appears to be the FX3450 (around 750 €). These cards are by far fast enough for protein crystallography or modelling.

For stereo, the xorg.conf might need the following lines

       Section "Extensions"
         Option     "Composite" "Disable"
       EndSection

if the X log file (e.g. at /var/log/Xorg.0.log) says that stereo is not supported by composite.

Another option that will be required in xorg.conf by programs running stereo is

    Section "Device"
      Driver      "nvidia"
      Option      "Stereo" "3"

Sometimes it is handy to configure two Desktops: one on a CRT monitor that can do stereo-graphics, and one on an LCD monitor for the more regular work, eg your refinement jobs with CCP4. For Nvidia cards you need to modify the xorg.conf file to have a section more or less like that:

Section "Monitor"
   Identifier     "Monitor0"
   VendorName     "Iiyama"
   ModelName      "Vision Master Pro 512"
   DisplaySize     450      330
   HorizSync       31.5 - 120.0
   VertRefresh     50.0 - 150.0
   Option         "dpms"
EndSection
Section "Monitor"
   Identifier     "Monitor1"
   VendorName     "Philips"
   ModelName      "150B"
EndSection
Section "Device"
   Identifier     "Videocard0"
   Driver         "nvidia"
   VendorName     "Videocard vendor"
   BoardName      "NVIDIA Quadro FX (generic)"
   BusId          "PCI:1:0:0"
   Screen         0
EndSection
Section "Device"
   Identifier     "Videocard1"
   Driver         "nvidia"
   VendorName     "Videocard vendor"
   BoardName      "NVIDIA Quadro FX (generic)"
   Option         "Stereo" "3"
   BusId          "PCI:1:0:0"
   Screen         1
EndSection
Section "Screen"
   Identifier     "Screen0"
   Device         "Videocard0"
   Monitor        "Monitor0"
   DefaultDepth    24 
   SubSection     "Display"
       Viewport    0 0
       Depth       24 
       Modes      "1024x768" "800x600"
   EndSubSection
EndSection
Section "Screen"
   Identifier     "Screen1"
   Device         "Videocard1"
   Monitor        "Monitor1"
   DefaultDepth    24 
   SubSection     "Display"
       Viewport    0 0
       Depth       24 
       Modes      "1600x1280" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600"

Note that one can think this is rather silly to define two card, two monitors, two cards, and two screens. However, that the only way I know that one monitor can be stereo-enabled and the other one not.

See also

Stereo on TFT: see Coot zalman

http://pymol.sourceforge.net/stereo3d.html

http://pymolwiki.org/index.php/Stereo_3D_Display_Options